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Betty Fussell Doesn't Mince Words In The Frank, Funny 'Eat, Live, Love, Die'

Maureen Corrigan reviews a new collection of the most celebrated essays of Food and travel writer Betty Fussel.


Other segments from the episode on January 9, 2017

Fresh Air with Terry Gross, January 9, 2017: Interview with Jeff Bridges; Review of Betty Fussell's new book "Eat, Live, Love, Die."



This is FRESH AIR. I'm Dave Davies in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. My guest, Jeff Bridges, can't remember the first time he was on a movie set - literally. He wasn't yet 2 years old when he appeared in the 1951 film "The Company She Keeps" with his mom Dorothy Dean Bridges. Jeff Bridges and his brother, Beau, grew up in show business. They sometimes appeared in the TV series "Sea Hunt" as kids which starred their father, Lloyd Bridges. Jeff Bridges got his first Oscar nomination at the age of 22 for his role in the 1971 film "The Last Picture Show." He's earned five more since and finally won the Best Actor Oscar for the 2009 film "Crazy Heart." Among his other films are "Heaven's Gate," "Starman," "Jagged Edge," "The Fabulous Baker Boys," "The Big Lebowski" and "True Grit."

He's generating Oscar buzz again for his role last year in the modern western "Hell Or High Water." The film also stars Ben Foster and Chris Pine as two brothers who are robbing small-town branches of a bank in West Texas. Bridges plays an aging Texas Ranger investigating the crimes. In this scene, he's speaking with a witness, then other investigators after one of the robberies.


JEFF BRIDGES: (As Marcus Hamilton) I know their faces was covered, but could you tell their race - black, white?

DALE DICKEY: (As Elsie) Their skin or their souls?

J. BRIDGES: (As Marcus Hamilton) Let's leave their souls out of this for now.

DICKEY: (As Elsie) Why? From around here somewhere is my guess, you know, from their voices.

GIL BIRMINGHAM: (As Alberto Parker) Young County says the same deal with the branch in Olney.

J. BRIDGES: (As Marcus Hamilton) Excuse me. Do they have video?

BIRMINGHAM: (As Alberto Parker) Same deal all the way around.

J. BRIDGES: (As Marcus Hamilton) Doesn't Wal-Mart sell all sorts of electronic equipment? My word, get your hands off that. Now, these boys - they aren't done yet, I'll tell you that.

BIRMINGHAM: (As Alberto Parker) How come?

J. BRIDGES: (As Marcus Hamilton) Well, they're patient, just sticking to the drawers, not taking the hundreds. That's the bank's money. We can trace that. They're trying to raise a certain amount, that's my guess. It's going to take a few banks to get there.

DAVIES: Well, Jeff Bridges, welcome to FRESH AIR.

J. BRIDGES: Thank you for having me.

DAVIES: Tell me about this character Marcus, this Texas Ranger, and how you got him.

J. BRIDGES: Well, this fellow, this Texas Ranger I'm playing, Marcus, in this movie - he's going through the pain of retirement, something that actors, you know - we're - we can act on our deathbed (laughter). You know, so it's something that I had to do a little research about that. Fortunately, Taylor Sheridan, the writer of "Hell Or High Water," really knew what he was talking about. His cousin Parnell McNamara was a marshal, but he had to go through retirement. And it was very helpful for me to be able to talk to him and find out what that was all about.

And also we were fortunate to have on the set for many days Joaquin Jackson, who was a very notable Texas Ranger. You know, he's written several books. He's - you know, he was just, you know - just so, so wonderful to have him on set, not only did he tell us, you know, how - you know, what our uniform should look like, how do we behave - how Texas Rangers behave and all that, but just to have him in the room and pick up the, you know - his vibes and to have his support and his blessing was really important.

DAVIES: Yeah. Were there any gestures or movements or turns of phrase or inflections that you picked up from him?

J. BRIDGES: You know, I remember he had a - when he took his hat off, he'd like put it on his boot. That's something I kind of ripped off from him (laughter).

DAVIES: One of the fun things about the film is your relationship with your partner, Alberto, who is played by Gil Birmingham. This character is half Mexican-American, half Comanche. You want to just talk a little bit about that? It's a friendship with an edge, isn't it?

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. They're dear friends, but Marcus teases him terribly throughout the film with, you know, racial slurs and so forth. One of the first things I do when I'm preparing for a part is I kind of look inside myself and see what are - are there any aspects of myself that might be handy in portraying this character? And my grandfather, Fred Simpson, was a terrible teaser. And my brother, Beau - he inherited that teasing gene - used to really tease me, you know, in an awful way and, you know, get me crying and stuff. And my mom would say, oh, that's just because he loves you so much, you know.


J. BRIDGES: And I, you know - I realized that that was probably true. You know, that it was an expression of intimacy, you know. I know exactly what buttons to push to get a, you know - a rise out of you. That's how much I love you or that's how well I know you. So that was something I could kind of tap into playing the role.

DAVIES: Yeah. You know, a lot of us tease our friends about them being clumsy or bad drivers or whatever. It's a little touchier when you're talking about their ethnicity. And...

J. BRIDGES: Yeah, well - yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. I think a lot of that has to do with how you were raised, what part of the country you were brought up in. Another touchstone for me in this film and in other times I'm playing Texans - I play quite a few Texans or, you know, westerns - is a fellow that I met on "The Last Picture Show" called - his name is Loyd Catlett - and he had a small part in "Picture Show." And he was also hired to teach us California kids how to be Texas kids. And we became friends and now turns out we've done over 70 films together. He's my stand in for all these movies, so he's kind of like a constant thread through the movies.

And, you know, when we first met, he like - the friends he grew up around, you know, would use racial slurs and stuff, not - he was funny - not in a necessarily mean way. It was just the - those were the terms. Those were the words that were used. And hanging out with the California kids, you know, he kind of - we said, oh, don't say that, Loyd, you know. And he was, you know, full of love and - but that's just how he was raised.

DAVIES: Well, I wanted to talk about "The Last Picture Show" because it's fascinating to me that, you know, this is your most recent film that - when you did when you were - what? - 22 years old, right?


DAVIES: This is the story of another film set in that same flat West Texas countryside about a small, dying town kind of a dying way of life in a way.


DAVIES: And it's centered in part on some high school kids. I thought we'd listen to a scene. You played Duane Jackson who was a football player, dated the rich girl, the pretty girl in town, Jacy. And the scene we will hear is later in the film when the two of you have broken up, and you've graduated from high school. You're coming back to town after working in the fields - oil fields - and here you've heard that your best friend, Sonny, who's played by Timothy Bottoms has been dating Jacy. And so you have this little conversation. Your character Duane speaks first. Let's listen.


J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) I saw (unintelligible) last week, said he thought you and Jacy had been going together a little.

TIMOTHY BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) Yeah. We have a little. She's been kind of bored so once in a while we go out and eat Mexican food or something.

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) Well, I hear that ain't all you been eating.

BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) Well, whoever told you that don't know what he's talking about. Sure. I've been going with her. Why not?

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) Never said I don't blame you for it. I don't blame you much. I just never thought you'd do me that way. I thought we were still best friends.

BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) We are. What you so mad for? I never done nothing to you.

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) Well, I guess [expletive] my girl ain't nothing to you.

BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) I ain't [expletive] her.

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) Hell you ain't.

BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) Well, I ain't. She's not your girl anymore anyhow.

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) She is my girl. I don't care if we did break up.

BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) Hell, you don't even live here anymore.

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) That don't make no difference. I've always lived here. I'm getting her back. I'm telling you right now. She's going to marry me one of these days when I get a little bit more money.

BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) Why? She won't marry you.

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) Sure, she will. We're always meant to get married.

BOTTOMS: (As Sonny Crawford) She's going off to college soon. I doubt I'll ever get to go with her again myself when she gets off. I never saw what it could hurt to go with her this summer, though. She's never going to marry you.

J. BRIDGES: (As Duane Jackson) But she is by God. Don't you tell me she won't.

DAVIES: And that's our guest Jeff Bridges with Timothy Bottoms in "The Last Picture Show" directed by Peter Bogdanovich, a 1971 film. Boy, that's going back to the early days of your career, not the earliest...


DAVIES: ...But some early days.


DAVIES: You were nominated for an Oscar for that role, and as you look back on it, you've had so much experience doing so many roles that I'm sure your techniques and preparation have evolved over the years. I'm wondering kind of what you hear when you listen to that performance.

J. BRIDGES: (Laughter) Well, it brings back the time certainly. One of the things that I listen to or watch movies, listen to things like that - it's almost like watching a home movie or, you know, listening to a past experience that you had. And I'm remembering Tim, you know, who's such a, you know, wonderful actor, and I can remember shooting that scene going around that car. It all happened in a - around a car and me cracking a beer bottle over him and putting his eye out and all of that. And also, it's, you know, I'm hearing Larry McMurtry's wonderful dialogue. It's always a pleasure to speak his words.

DAVIES: Did you immerse in that life at all, the life of a small Texas town?

J. BRIDGES: Oh, yeah. Not only that small Texas town itself, but our own little kind of town that we created, you know. Those were some - you know, Ellen Burstyn and Cloris Leachman Ben Johnson - wonderful actors. You know, so hanging out with those guys - Eileen Brennan - we had a wonderful time making that film. And we knew even though we were all pretty green at that time, we all knew we were involved in something very special.

DAVIES: You could tell then? Yeah.

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. That movie to me kind of just sits by itself. You know, there's no movies like it, and it's not like any movie. It was shot in black and white when movies were in color. You had Peter Bogdanovich - I think it was his second film.

DAVIES: Right.

J. BRIDGES: And he was a big fan of Ford and hawks and those guys, so that sensibility is in there that really wasn't in fashion at the time.

DAVIES: We're speaking with Jeff Bridges. He stars in the film "Hell Or High Water." We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is FRESH AIR.


DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and we're speaking with actor Jeff Bridges. He stars with Chris Pine and Ben Foster in the film "Hell Or High Water." Well, "The Last Picture Show" - that's not the oldest clip that we have. I want to play a scene here of - we'll talk about it afterwards - a scene of a kid and his dad on a scuba diving boat...

J. BRIDGES: (Laughter).

DAVIES: And the kid's gotten into some mischief on a dive. Let's listen.

J. BRIDGES: Oh, my God.


LLOYD BRIDGES: (As Mike Nelson) Kelly, if you've got something to say now say it.

J. BRIDGES: (As Kelly Bailey) They didn't get all the dynamite out. There's still some there.

L. BRIDGES: (As Mike Nelson) Where?

J. BRIDGES: (As Kelly Bailey) When we were diving, there was a buoy with a sign that said A-zone on it.

L. BRIDGES: (As Mike Nelson) Why didn't you say this before?

J. BRIDGES: (As Kelly Bailey) I was afraid. I promised.

L. BRIDGES: (As Mike Nelson) Promised who?

J. BRIDGES: (As Kelly Bailey) Joey.

L. BRIDGES: (As Mike Nelson) Pete, head for that A-zone buoy.

J. BRIDGES: (Laughter).

DAVIES: A little taste of our guest, Jeff Bridges, and what we were you 8 or 9 then?

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. That's wild.

DAVIES: Acting with your dad, Lloyd Bridges, in the series "Sea Hunt" which I remember watching. Your dad played Mike Nelson, this diver who went around rescuing people and besting criminals and all. You learned a lot from your dad. I read that you'd sit on the bed, and he would talk to you about teaching you the basics of acting.

J. BRIDGES: Oh, yeah, yeah. He - you know, especially with "Sea Hunt," he'd get me on the bed there, you know, and teach me how to - you know, make it feel like it's happening for the first time and not to just, you know, wait for him to stop speaking and then I do my line. He says you got to listen to what the other guy's say and let that have some effect on what you're going to say. And now go out of the room, now come back in and do a completely different version of - you know, all kinds of stuff like that.

Later on, I got to work with him as an adult. We did a movie called "Tucker" together and also "Blown Away." And that was a wonderful experience. And I learned probably the most important thing I ever learned from him on those movies, and that was the way he generally approached the work which was with such joy. He enjoyed what he was doing so much. He was, you know - really wanted all his kids to go into acting because he loved it so much.

DAVIES: Yeah. It's interesting, you know, because of some kids whose parents push them into show business. You know, it doesn't always make for the happiest relationships or happiest lives. And I'm picturing you on that bed thinking, oh, dad, come on I want to go out and play ball.


DAVIES: You know, but you liked it? It was fun?

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. Well, sort of. But, you know, like most kids that age, you don't want to do what your parents want you to do, you know. You get your own ideas. And I certainly had a pile of them. You know, I wanted to, you know, get into music and, you know, painting. And I had had a lot of different interests, and my father said, oh, Jeff, don't be ridiculous. That's the wonderful thing about acting is you get to incorporate all of your interests in your parts, and you'll get to, you know, do some music and all of that. It will facilitate that stuff. And he was right. I'm glad I listened to him, but I would - I resisted going into acting for quite a while as a matter of fact. Long after the "Picture Show," I was still considering, gee, do I really want to do this for the rest of my life, you know, as my main focus of my professional life? You know.

DAVIES: Yeah. You know, I think of all these actors we've interviewed who spent 15 years waiting tables in New York and doing plays and commercials hoping to break into it, and you had a real entree and you weren't so sure about. Was there a point - was there a turning point in which you said, yeah, this is it?

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. There was. And also, you know, the whole nepotism thing - that's, you know, a something a kid wants to avoid - you know, getting a job just because of who his dad is. But that was kind of the case of my part. And so that - you know, that caused some resistance. And the turning point was late in my career. I had done quite a few films. And I just finished a movie called "The Last American Hero."

And normally, after a movie, you know, you don't want to get up and do another one right away. That kind of pretend muscle or whatever you use making movies is kind of, you know, spent. And you have other things to do. And right after I finished that movie, I got a call from my agent saying that John Frankenheimer wanted to cast me in "The Iceman Cometh" along with Fredric March, Lee Marvin and Robert Ryan, who were going to be in it. And I said, oh, wow. Thanks a lot, Jack. But I'm bushed.

DAVIES: (Laughter).

J. BRIDGES: I tell him I'll pass - thank him, though. And about a minute after I hung up, Lamont Johnson, the director I just worked with, called me up. And he said, I understand that you turned down "The Iceman Cometh." And I said, yeah. I'm bushed, Lamont, you know? And he says, bushed? You're an ass. And he hung up the phone (laughter). And I thought, oh, gee. Well, maybe I'll try a little experiment on myself.

Maybe I'll just do this movie. And maybe it'll be the final nail in the acting coffin for me. You know, I'll say, oh, this was a terrible experience. I'll do something else. And it turned to be quite a unique experience for many reasons - but one being that we had eight weeks rehearsal. You know, usually if you're lucky, you've got a couple of weeks. And we shot the movie for two weeks. And it was - turned out to be a four-hour movie. So it was, you know, long scenes, shot like a play - like we were doing a play, basically.

And I got to hang out with these old masters a lot, you know? And they were just as anxious as I was (laughter) about getting it right, you know, doing the material justice. And watching these guys dealing with their flop sweat and their anxiety and all that was kind of heartening for me. And I learned that that's not something that goes away.

I remember Robert Ryan - doing a scene with him. And we started to do the scene, and then they said, oh, no. We've got to stop the camera, fix a light or something. And he takes his hands off the table. And there are big puddles of sweat there on the table. And I say, Bob, guy, after all these years, you're nervous? What is that? And he said, oh, I'd really be scared if I wasn't scared. You know, he just had to, you know - incorporated that anxiety into his work. And, you know, parts of it is a good thing. It's what makes you learn your lines and, you know, get it right, you know?

DAVIES: You know, you come from a family of actors. And your brother Beau, of course, also had a career. You guys appeared in some films together - "Fabulous Baker Boys." What's it been like to have a brother who's a successful actor, too?

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. Well, right along with my dad, my brother Beau was my teacher. He taught me so much about acting. One of the challenges for, you know, actors starting out is, where do you perform? And Beau - and this is - I must've been, you know, 16 - 15, 16 years old - he came up with this great idea of renting a flatbed truck. And we would pull into a supermarket.

And our father, Lloyd, taught us how to stage fight, you know, fake fight. And we would stage this fake fight. And crowd would, you know, gather around the parking lot, watching these two guys go at each other. And then we'd say - you know, break our fight up and say, no, we're putting on a show. And we jump on the back of the flatbed truck and perform our scenes that we'd worked on until the police came.

DAVIES: (Laughter).

J. BRIDGES: And then they would be very upset because we would try to do improv with them and try to bring them into our show.


J. BRIDGES: And they were - really started to get serious. We'd say, no, we're leaving. And we'd get back in the truck. And we'd go to the next supermarket. And we played the supermarket circuit that way. But Beau, you know, helped me with, you know, all - you know, getting an agent - you know, all of that. And then working with him in "Fabulous Baker Boys." - Oh, that was just a dream come true, you know? We would...

DAVIES: And you guys had a fight in that, didn't you?

J. BRIDGES: Oh we had a terrible fight (laughter). Yeah, we had a fight. We were so thrilled from the story that I just told you that we were going to have this fight. And Steve Kloves - it was his first movie - director. And we asked Steve if we could gaffe this fight. And he said, sure. Yeah.

So we had it all arranged. And - but we forgot a very important element, which was a safe word, a word that would say, no, you're really hurting me. Stop doing what you're doing. And so at the climax of the fight, my character grabs my brother's hand. He's a piano player. And I proceed to bend his fingers back. And Beau's saying (shouting), ah, ah. Stop. You're hurting me.

And I'm thinking in my mind, yeah. Act your ass off, man.


J. BRIDGES: And I sent him to the hospital. I had hurt his fingers terribly. So you must have a safe word, people.

DAVIES: Jeff Bridges stars with Ben Foster and Chris Pine in the film "Hell Or High Water." After a break, Maureen Corrigan reviews a book of essays by Betty Fussell. And we'll hear more about Jeff Bridges' life in films, including his turn as The Dude in the Coen brothers film "The Big Lebowski." I'm Dave Davies, and this is FRESH AIR.


GIPSY KINGS: (Singing in Spanish).


DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR. I'm Dave Davies, in for Terry Gross, who's off this week. We're speaking with actor Jeff Bridges. He stars with Ben Foster and Chris Pine in the modern western "Hell Or High Water." He's earned six Oscar nominations and won the best actor award for his role in the film "Crazy Heart."

We have to talk about "The Big Lebowski," the film that you made with the Coen brothers - 1998. And let's start with a classic scene from the film. You play this - I guess what we'd call an aging stoner, Jeff Lebowski - but a guy who's known to all of his friends as The Dude. And we'll listen to a scene early in the film. And what's happened is that a couple of tough guys broke into your apartment, looking for money they said you owed. It turned out they were confusing you with another guy named Jeff Lebowski, who's a rich guy. But before these tough guys left, one of them peed on the rug in your living room. And in the scene we're going to hear, you've come to see the rich Lebowski to ask him to cover the damage.

J. BRIDGES: (Laughter).

DAVIES: And Mr. Lebowski, who is played by David Huddleston, speaks first. Let's listen.


DAVID HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) What can I do for you, sir?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) Ah, well, sir, it's this rug I have. It really tied the room together.

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) You told Brandt on the phone. He told me. Where do I fit in?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) Well, they were looking for you - these two guys.

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) I'll say it again. You told Brandt on the phone. He told me. I know what happened. Yes, yes?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) Oh, so you know that they were trying to (expletive) on your rug?

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) Did I urinate on your rug?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) You mean did you personally come and (expletive) on my rug?

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) Hello. Do you speak English, sir? Parle usted ingles? I'll ask again. Did I urinate on your rug?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) No. Like I said, Woo (expletive) on my rug.

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) I just want to understand this, sir. Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair city, I have to compensate the person?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) Come on. Man, I'm not trying to scam anybody here. You know, I'm just...

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) You're just looking for a handout like every other - are you employed, Mr. Lebowski?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) Wait. Let me explain something to you. I am not Mr. Lebowski. You're Mr. Lebowski. I'm The Dude. So that's what you call me, you know, that or His Dudeness or Duder or, you know, El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) Are you employed, sir?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) Employed?

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) You don't go out looking for a job dressed like that, do you? - on a weekday?

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) Is this a - what day is this?

HUDDLESTON: (As Jeff Lebowski) Well, I do work, sir. So if you don't mind...

J. BRIDGES: (As The Dude) No. I do mind. The Dude minds. This will not stand. You know, this aggression will not stand, man.

DAVIES: It's still funny.


DAVIES: And that's our guest, Jeff Bridges, in "The Big Lebowski." How did you get The Dude?

J. BRIDGES: Well, for one thing, the clothes - Mary Zophres, the costume designer on that film, you know, came over to my house. And we said, let's go look in my closet and see if I've got anything in there that might be handy. And, you know, in there we found The Dude's jelly shoes, you know, that weird Asian baseball player shirt. You know, a lot of those - the clothes were mine. So that was very helpful. And, you know, when I first heard about "The Big Lebowski," it was maybe a year or two before the film. And Joel and Ethan - I saw them somewhere. And they said, hey, we're writing something for you. I said, oh, wonderful.

DAVIES: That's the Coen brothers, right? Yeah.

J. BRIDGES: Yeah, the Coen brothers - 'cause I was, you know, a big fan of "Blood Simple." It's one of their earlier stuff. And then I got the script. And, you know, I had no memory of any role that I'd ever played like that. It felt like they had, you know, gone to some of my high-school parties or - you know, I don't know where...

DAVIES: (Laughter).

J. BRIDGES: ...They got - you know, why they were writing it specifically for me. But I guess they were onto something 'cause it did kind of, you know, fit some of my - you know, my MO and my - you know, my characteristics, my hair, my look - you know, that sort of thing.

DAVIES: I remembered when we first see you in "The Big Lebowski," I think you're coming down a supermarket aisle, looking for milk for your White Russians.

J. BRIDGES: (Laughter).

DAVIES: And you're wearing these jelly shoes, some shorts that might even be boxer underwear - they're just barely shorts - and a T-shirt, sunglasses and a bathrobe. It - that kind of just tells the story of this guy almost.

J. BRIDGES: Yeah, that's right. Those brothers, the Coen brothers, they really know how to make movies. It's just like falling off a log, where it appears to be just falling off a log for them, you know? You don't see the effort in their stuff. But that script is so well-written, and the characters are also well-defined. It's just a joy to watch.

I still - you know, I'm one of those guys - a movie of mine comes on the tube - on the TV - I'll, you know, watch a scene and then turn the channel. But when "Lebowski" comes on, I - you know, I say, well, I've got to just - I'll just wait until Maude comes flying down from the ceiling nude, you know - splatters paint all over The Dude. And then I'll say, well, no. I'll just stick to, you know, see Turturro lick the ball, you know? And I get sucked in, you know? I end up watching the whole thing.

DAVIES: Yeah - one of those movies that never gets old. The film, of course, has this huge following. There are screenings where people show up and in character.


DAVIES: Do you ever go to these things? Do you welcome this?

J. BRIDGES: I went to - I had my Beatle moment at one. I have a band...

DAVIES: The Abiders, right?

J. BRIDGES: ...Called The Abiders. Some people think that we're The Biters.

DAVIES: (Laughter).

J. BRIDGES: No. It's The Abiders (laughter). The Biters is not a bad title for a group. But, anyway, The Abiders - we once played a "Lebowski" Fest. And you know, I came out - The Dude. (Imitating crowd cheering), you know?

DAVIES: (Laughter).

J. BRIDGES: And you look out there. And you're playing to a sea of Dudes. They're all dressed up like The Dudes or bowling pins or Maude. You know, they all have different characters.

DAVIES: We're speaking with Jeff Bridges. He stars with Ben Foster and Chris Pine in the film "Hell Or High Water." We'll continue our conversation after a short break. This is FRESH AIR.


DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and we're speaking with actor Jeff Bridges. He stars with Chris Pine and Ben Foster in the film "Hell Or High Water." Well, we have to talk about "Crazy Heart," the 2010 film based on a novel by Thomas Cobb, directed by Scott Cooper. This is the story of an aging musician. You play this musician named Bad Blake, country singer and songwriter who was once on the top whose career is now on the skids, mostly due to his very serious drinking problem. And I wanted to play a scene. Here, you're speaking to a younger country singer, Bobby Sweet, who's played by Colin Farrell. This is a singer who - your character helped start his career, but now you're struggling, and he's on top. And you're in the position of looking for help from him, you know, an album or a concert tour or something.


J. BRIDGES: (As Bad Blake) Hey, how come we're not doing another album? Why won't you do it?

COLIN FARRELL: (As Tommy Sweet) Hold up now. I never said I wouldn't. DMZ just doesn't think it's the right thing to do, that's all.

J. BRIDGES: (As Bad Blake) I think it is.

FARRELL: (As Tommy Sweet) And you may be right. They want a couple more solos first. Then we do a duet. You got first shot. I already told them.

J. BRIDGES: (As Bad Blake) I need money now. I'm 57 years old, career's going nowhere. I need something to get it jumpstarted. They won't give me a damn solo album. I need this, damnit. I really do.

FARRELL: (As Tommy Sweet) I swear, Bad, I can't get them to budge on this one. But there is a way you can make some money if you want to.

J. BRIDGES: (As Bad Blake) Enlighten me.

FARRELL: (As Tommy Sweet) Songs - I ain't got no new material. Everything I'm hearing is straight crap. You write me five new songs, I'll give you backend. I ship 2 million albums every time I release one.

J. BRIDGES: (As Bad Blake) I haven't written a new song in three years - too many songs.

FARRELL: (As Tommy Sweet) You write some of the best material out there, Bad. I want some.

J. BRIDGES: (As Bad Blake) Wrote, wrote, not write.

DAVIES: And that's our guest, Jeff Bridges, with Colin Farrell in the film "Crazy Heart." You won a best actor Oscar for this. When you get a role, you like to look in yourself for what's there of that character, maybe your friends. Do you remember how you got this guy Bad Blake?

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. Well, Scott Cooper, the director - one of Scott's first bits of directions is that Bad Blake would have been the fifth Highwayman, you know that great group with, you know, Willie Nelson and Kris and Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash, you know. So he would - Bad Blake was like those guys. That was a big help. And so I, you know, I look towards, you know, some of these great country heroes like, you know, Waylon Jennings, you know, kind of study that, Townes Van Zandt, you know, looked at him, kind of soaked up those guys. And then we were both - everybody on the show was so fortunate to have Stephen Bruton on board, who - our movie is dedicated to Stephen Bruton.

Stephen was T Bone Burnett's best friend. He's - Stephen's no longer with us. He passed away shortly after the movie was finished. But he was the real thing. He was, you know, a musician who was making his living on the road, you know, and he was with me every day, you know, giving me guitar lessons. I play guitar but nothing like Stephen, you know, so he helped me a lot with that.

DAVIES: Well, you know, I want to come back to the beginning of the film here. You know, there - you do all the musical performances in this, and I know you're a musician, so this is not - there was no lip syncing here. And I want to catch a little bit of one of these performances. This is very early in the film when your character, Bad Blake, is now reduced, you know, to driving from town to town playing small gigs with local bands as backups, you know, that you kind of just improvise it and work together. And in this scene we're going to hear, you're up on stage in a bowling alley, and one of the local musicians introduces you. Let's just listen to a bit of this.


UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: (As character) Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the Spare Room, the wrangler of love, Mr. Bad Blake.


J. BRIDGES: (As Bad Blake) Go to C, now F. (Singing) I used to be somebody but now I am somebody else. I used to be somebody. Now I am somebody else. Who I'll be tomorrow is anybody's guess. I was cleared of all the charges with money, women and my health. But now that I'm a brand-new man, you belong with someone else.

DAVIES: And that is our guest, Jeff Bridges, sangin' in the film "Crazy Heart." That's - that song "Somebody Else" written by the late Stephen Bruton and T Bone Burnett. You know, you're clearly accustomed to performing. This is something you do a lot. In this film, you have to perform impaired by alcohol. I'm wondering what that was like, how you - did you drink in practice?

J. BRIDGES: Yeah. I probably rehearsed and, you know, experienced that in rehearsal. I had made the mistake early in my career to say, oh, it's a drunk scene. I think I'll just get drunk, you know, but that doesn't (laughter) work so good, I learned, 'cause you got the rest of the day and then you got the next day and you don't want to be hungover, you know. So it's - so I didn't, you know, sometimes I'll take - if I'm supposed to be playing a drunk scene, I'll just take a little, you know, to have a - you know, just put a little bit on my tongue just to have it kind of, you know, and wear it as cologne almost. I'll put some, you know, on my beard and stuff and make me smell that stuff.

DAVIES: You know, one of the other things I noticed watching this film is how you managed to look just terrible, I mean, physically, a guy whose body is ravaged by, you know, all that drinking and too many cigarettes and a terrible diet. And I'm just wondering if there are things that you did to get there. I mean, did you decide to gain weight? Did you - I don't know how you pulled off that.

J. BRIDGES: Yeah, well, you take off the governor, you know, you let everything just kind of - you kind of do what you want. You know, you don't shy away from your Haagen-Dazs. You know, you drink when you feel like it, you know, that kind of thing. And then, of course, makeup helps a lot, you know? You know, putting a little fine, you know, busted blood vessels in your nose and stuff, you know, subtle stuff. But it all kind of adds up. It's cumulative.

DAVIES: And putting on the - all that stuff helps helps you get the character.

J. BRIDGES: Oh, yeah. Yeah, in the morning, you come up to - you get in there in the makeup trailer and you put on some country tunes and you start to get, you know, the guy who's painted on. You get your costume on. And it's all, you know, you - starting to come together, and when you walk out your dressing room door, there's the guy.

DAVIES: You mention that you get anxious still with roles. Have you developed techniques over the years on how to deal with that anxiety?

J. BRIDGES: Well, I meditate. You know, I do that. That helps a lot. You know, that line from "Lebowski" - that's just your opinion, man. You know, that can be - you can say that to yourself, too, because, you know, most of us - I know I can only speak for myself - but we all have these little voices in our head saying, you know, who do you think you are? You think you're going to pull this thing off? You know, and, you know, that's just, you know, your opinion, man.

You know, so you really don't know what's going on. But, you say, you know, I could, you know, do - you know, talk about that a little bit. My wife, you know - she often gives me the phrase that my mother used to give me when I would go off to do a job as a teenager. My mom used to say now remember have fun and don't take it too seriously. Thank you. So now I get my wife to say that to me and that kind of calms me down. And if I'm on my game, I remember that.

DAVIES: I guess the other thing is you work really hard. If you're ready, that'll help, right?

J. BRIDGES: If you're ready that - you know, preparation is a lot that really scratches the anxiety, you know, to work on the thing, you know, that really helps. Be as prepared as you can and let it rip.

DAVIES: How did your father feel about your career?

J. BRIDGES: Oh, man, he was so, so proud when I won the Academy Award. I wished he would - and he and my mom could have been there because they would have really loved that moment, but, oh, he just, you know, was very proud of both his guys, both his boys.

DAVIES: And you - I'm sure you were proud a lot of the stuff he did well into, you know, his later years.

J. BRIDGES: Oh, my dad? Oh, God, oh, yeah. Incredibly proud of him. You know, he - I remember doing a movie "Blown Away." I went to the producer and said, you know, I have a good actor - I know a good actor who could play my uncle. He kind of looks like me and a wonderful actor Lloyd Bridges. And the producer said, well, he is a good actor, but he's really more of a comedian. I say what are you talking about, man? He says, yeah, well, you know, the "Airplane" movies.

DAVIES: Right.

J. BRIDGES: And I say, oh, my God. You're going to make him come in and read for the part? And he goes would he come in and read? And I say, well, yeah, you know, he wants the part. Yeah. So my dad came in. We read together. Of course, he got the part. But that thing of, you know, developing too strong a persona, you know, my dad, you know - early on in his career, he did that "Sea Hunt" TV show. And everybody thought he did such a great job. Everybody thought he was a skin diver, so he got a lot of skin-diving scripts, you know. And then when he got the comedy thing they think he's that, you know. So you got to watch that. I really - early on in my career, I really went about trying, you know, to not develop too strong a persona for that very reason.

DAVIES: Well, Jeff Bridges, it's been fun. Thanks so much for spending some time with us.

J. BRIDGES: Great hanging with you. Thanks for having me.

DAVIES: Jeff Bridges stars Ben Foster and Chris Pine in the modern western "Hell Or High Water." Coming up, Maureen Corrigan reviews a collection of essays from 89-year-old tough girl Betty Fussell. This is FRESH AIR.


This is FRESH AIR. For Betty Fussell, writing was a mid-life career choice and one she's excelled at. For the past 40 years, she's written books and articles on travel and food for publications such as The New York Times, The New Yorker and Food And Wine. A new collection of some of Fussell's most celebrated essays has just been published. Book critic Maureen Corrigan has a review.

MAUREEN CORRIGAN, BYLINE: She's one nasty woman, that Betty Fussell. Now 89, Fussell came of age in the heyday of bright and breezy Betty's - Betty Grable, Betty Hutton, Betty Crocker. But she clearly gravitated toward the one dangerous dame of the bunch, Bette Davis. An essayist and author of some 20 books on food and travel, as well as the acclaimed memoir "My Kitchen Wars" about her marriage to and divorce from the late cultural historian Paul Fussell, Betty Fussell doesn't mince words. The title of this new collection of essays briskly sums up Fussell's tough girl philosophy. It's called "Eat, Live, Love, Die." To paraphrase a line made famous by that other Bette, fasten your seatbelts. It's going to be a bumpy read.

The essays gathered in "Eat, Live, Love, Die" span over 40 years and range from an interview with M.F.K. Fisher, to a travel log of Fussell's triumphant 60th birthday climb up Machu Picchu, to an erotically inflected description of how Fussell murdered, with cleaver, bare hands and salt, an eel in her New York apartment. Fussell recalls, the eel and I were already intimate, for I had carried him in my lap in a large plastic bag on the subway from Chinatown. And he had roiled against my belly as if I were pregnant with eels.

There's no room for squeamishness or, God forbid, cuteness in Fussell's worldview. Several autobiographical essays here chart Fussell's struggle to, as she puts it, discard the bubble wrap and face up to the reality of things. Even in a seemingly innocuous piece called "4-F Food" written in 1993 for her college alumni magazine about the canned soups and murky casseroles served to undergrads during World War II, Fussell veers off the cafeteria line to give a less sentimental account of how things changed once the vets returned to campus. Liquor, Fussell says, bridged the gap between the cloistered innocence of the co-eds and the shell-shocked experience of the vets. As she bluntly recalls, to GIs who'd been given a hero's welcome with all the perks and no holds barred in Paris and Tokyo and Rome, date rape was an oxymoron.

Fussell, like so many women of her class and generation, married straight out of college, had two kids and gave dinner parties. Eventually, she ripped off her hostess apron, joined the second women's movement and became a professor and writer herself, just like her famous ex-husband, who she says was born with a Remington typewriter in his mouth and regarded her own attempts to write as silly. There's a raw, previously unpublished essay here called "My Daughter, The Painter" in which Fussell confronts her adult daughter's take on her mother's life choices. It's a bone-chilling read for anyone with children.

But less this collection sound too intimidating in its frankness, let me quickly add that Fussell is also very funny and inspiring. Some of the best essays here are the most recent, written in Fussell's dotage. Aging is a hot literary topic these days, but no one else I've read has captured the bizarre acceleration of time as we age quite the way Fussell does. Listen to these lines from her preface. (Reading) what happened? Never had a good sense of time but Jesus Christ. Yesterday I'm wiping applesauce off my baby's cheeks, and today I'm wondering when she'll retire. For years, I didn't wear a watch because I wanted to stop time. Now time stops me dead - tick tock. And so we eat, not just to survive but to chitter-chatter, twitter-tweet. We bump our uglies together, whether feathered, furred or finned. We feed our kids and teach them to fly, swing, swim. And then what? And what for? Are we the only critters to ask, the only ones who scratch stones or mark caves or shape clay to tell someone, anyone, that Kilroy was here?

Move over T.S. Eliot. This is charged, spoken word poetry on the eternal theme of hurry up, please, it's time. Fussell is said to be writing a second memoir, this one a manual of survival in New York City. Hurry up, please. I can't wait.

DAVIES: Maureen Corrigan teaches literature at Georgetown University. She reviewed "Eat, Live, Love, Die" by Betty Fussell. On tomorrow's show, why growing numbers of Americans are saying goodbye to a monthly fees and overdraft charges and abandoning traditional banks. Lisa Servon got a job as a teller in a check cashing agency and one at a payday lending store to understand why so many working people turn to banking alternatives. Her new book is "The Unbanking Of America." Hope you can join us.


DAVIES: FRESH AIR's executive producer is Danny Miller, and the senior producer today is Sam Briger. Our engineer today is Audrey Bentham. Our associate producer for online media is Molly Seavy-Nesper. Therese Madden directed today's show. For Terry Gross, I'm Dave Davies.

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